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Oil Mist Eliminator
Started by Guest_Rees_*, Nov 29 2005 10:02 AM
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#1
Guest_Rees_*
Posted 29 November 2005 - 10:02 AM
Good day to all,
I have posted about this problem in another forum but as of yet have not had any feedback.
Basically we have 3 air blowers producing apporximately 430m3/hr of air at 0.3 bar pressure each for a backwash purpose for a gravity filter. There is however some fine oil mist finding its way from the blowers to the air lines (150mm pipes). There is only a small amount of oil being lost to the air line - approximately 1 litre per year.
Is there a way to possibly filter out this oil or maybe another method. I am thinking that it is going to be very difficult to filter out the oil due to the low pressure.
If anyone has any ideas on any possible solution without replacing the blowers please comment..
Many thanks
I have posted about this problem in another forum but as of yet have not had any feedback.
Basically we have 3 air blowers producing apporximately 430m3/hr of air at 0.3 bar pressure each for a backwash purpose for a gravity filter. There is however some fine oil mist finding its way from the blowers to the air lines (150mm pipes). There is only a small amount of oil being lost to the air line - approximately 1 litre per year.
Is there a way to possibly filter out this oil or maybe another method. I am thinking that it is going to be very difficult to filter out the oil due to the low pressure.
If anyone has any ideas on any possible solution without replacing the blowers please comment..
Many thanks
#2
Guest_Guest_*
Posted 29 November 2005 - 01:09 PM
Rees:
You've only described the generic type of blower. What type, specifically, are you dealing with?
If the blower is a lobe type (Roots-Connersville type) or a flooded screw type, you have a better problem in that you probably have more available head. If it is a centrifugal type, then you a worst problem with head - but you shouldn't be getting any oil in the air.
In fact, the Roots type shouldn't be giving you an oil problem either. If it is, then you have installed the wrong model for the application. Essentially, it might be a situation where your oil seals or your maintenance have failed and the need is to correct that operating need.
Basically, we need more information on the type of "blower" and as many other operating details as you can give us. How much pressure drop can your blowers give up? Where does the oil originate? What kind of oil is it?
You've only described the generic type of blower. What type, specifically, are you dealing with?
If the blower is a lobe type (Roots-Connersville type) or a flooded screw type, you have a better problem in that you probably have more available head. If it is a centrifugal type, then you a worst problem with head - but you shouldn't be getting any oil in the air.
In fact, the Roots type shouldn't be giving you an oil problem either. If it is, then you have installed the wrong model for the application. Essentially, it might be a situation where your oil seals or your maintenance have failed and the need is to correct that operating need.
Basically, we need more information on the type of "blower" and as many other operating details as you can give us. How much pressure drop can your blowers give up? Where does the oil originate? What kind of oil is it?
#3
Posted 29 November 2005 - 02:02 PM
Rees:
1 litre per year of oil seems like an insignificant amount to me unless it is causing a problem in the gravity filter for which you are using the air. Does it, in fact, cause any problems?
Each blower discharging 430 m3/hr through a 150mm pipe means that the air velocity in each pipe is about 6.75 m/s. You might try using a knockout drum (i.e., a wide spot in the line) in which the velocity would be slowed down so as to remove the oil from the air.
A knockout drum is a vertical vessel into which a liquid and vapor mixture is fed and wherein the liquid is separated by gravity, falls to the bottom of the vessel, and is withdrawn. The vapor travels upward at a design velocity which minimizes the entrainment of any liquid droplets in the vapor as it exits the top of the vessel.
Use a vertical pressure vessel with a length-to-diameter ratio of about 3 to 4 and size the vessel diameter by the Souders-Brown equation to determine the allowable vapor velocity:
V = (k) [ (dL - dV) / dV ]^0.5
where:
V = maximum allowable vapor velocity, m/sec
dL = liquid density, kg/m3
dV = vapor density, kg/m3
k = 0.107 m/s (when the drum includes a de-entraining mesh pad)
Then the cross-sectional area of the drum, in m2 = (vapor flow rate, in m3/s) / (vapor velocity, in m/s)
I am assuming that you meant 0.3 barg (i.e., 1.3 bara) as your air pressure and I am assuming a temperature of 25 °C. At those conditions, the air density (dV) is 1.51 kg/m3. I am also asuming the oil has a density (dL) of about 900 kg/m3 and so:
V = 0.107 [(900 - 1.51)/1.51]^0.5 =0.107 (24.4) = 2.61 m/s
Drum cross-sectional area = (430/3600) / 2.61 = 0.0458 m2
Drum diameter = [(4)(0.0458/3.1416)]^0.5 =0. 242 m = 242 mm
Drum length = 3.5 (0.242) = 0.847 m = 847 mm
Air to enter at midway up the drum and each drum is to have a mesh pad at the top.
Depending on the size of the droplets in your oil mist, the drum may or may not remove all of the oil. On the other hand, the drum size above is quite small and three such drums (one for each blower discharge line) would be quite inexpensive. It might be worth a try.
1 litre per year of oil seems like an insignificant amount to me unless it is causing a problem in the gravity filter for which you are using the air. Does it, in fact, cause any problems?
Each blower discharging 430 m3/hr through a 150mm pipe means that the air velocity in each pipe is about 6.75 m/s. You might try using a knockout drum (i.e., a wide spot in the line) in which the velocity would be slowed down so as to remove the oil from the air.
A knockout drum is a vertical vessel into which a liquid and vapor mixture is fed and wherein the liquid is separated by gravity, falls to the bottom of the vessel, and is withdrawn. The vapor travels upward at a design velocity which minimizes the entrainment of any liquid droplets in the vapor as it exits the top of the vessel.
Use a vertical pressure vessel with a length-to-diameter ratio of about 3 to 4 and size the vessel diameter by the Souders-Brown equation to determine the allowable vapor velocity:
V = (k) [ (dL - dV) / dV ]^0.5
where:
V = maximum allowable vapor velocity, m/sec
dL = liquid density, kg/m3
dV = vapor density, kg/m3
k = 0.107 m/s (when the drum includes a de-entraining mesh pad)
Then the cross-sectional area of the drum, in m2 = (vapor flow rate, in m3/s) / (vapor velocity, in m/s)
I am assuming that you meant 0.3 barg (i.e., 1.3 bara) as your air pressure and I am assuming a temperature of 25 °C. At those conditions, the air density (dV) is 1.51 kg/m3. I am also asuming the oil has a density (dL) of about 900 kg/m3 and so:
V = 0.107 [(900 - 1.51)/1.51]^0.5 =0.107 (24.4) = 2.61 m/s
Drum cross-sectional area = (430/3600) / 2.61 = 0.0458 m2
Drum diameter = [(4)(0.0458/3.1416)]^0.5 =0. 242 m = 242 mm
Drum length = 3.5 (0.242) = 0.847 m = 847 mm
Air to enter at midway up the drum and each drum is to have a mesh pad at the top.
Depending on the size of the droplets in your oil mist, the drum may or may not remove all of the oil. On the other hand, the drum size above is quite small and three such drums (one for each blower discharge line) would be quite inexpensive. It might be worth a try.
#4
Guest_Rees_*
Posted 30 November 2005 - 06:17 AM
Many thanks for your replies.
It is not causing any problems with the filter however we know that blowers are losing this amount of oil and so a relatively inexpensive option like mbeychok stated could be a option. Even if its as a trial to monitor the amount of oil being lost from the blowers.
The blowers only run 6 months a year and for 10 minutes per day so I beleive that is approximately 6 ml per run per blower.
mbeychok: a few questions regarding the mesh pad:
1) Is there a specific mesh pad that needs to be used?
2) What thickness of mesh ir required?
3) How much space is required between the top of the mesh and the top of the drum?
Again, many thanks for your input.
Rees
It is not causing any problems with the filter however we know that blowers are losing this amount of oil and so a relatively inexpensive option like mbeychok stated could be a option. Even if its as a trial to monitor the amount of oil being lost from the blowers.
The blowers only run 6 months a year and for 10 minutes per day so I beleive that is approximately 6 ml per run per blower.
mbeychok: a few questions regarding the mesh pad:
1) Is there a specific mesh pad that needs to be used?
2) What thickness of mesh ir required?
3) How much space is required between the top of the mesh and the top of the drum?
Again, many thanks for your input.
Rees
#5
Posted 30 November 2005 - 11:18 AM
Rees:
I would estimate that the mesh pad should be about 200 mm below the air outlet at the top of the drum. I would also advise you to contact a mesh pad vendor (to ask your other questions) such as Microwire at:
www.microwireproducts.com <== click here and then click on "mist eliminators".
Good luck,
I would estimate that the mesh pad should be about 200 mm below the air outlet at the top of the drum. I would also advise you to contact a mesh pad vendor (to ask your other questions) such as Microwire at:
www.microwireproducts.com <== click here and then click on "mist eliminators".
Good luck,
#6
Posted 02 December 2005 - 06:11 AM
mbeychok:
Thanks for the reply, I will make some enquiries.
Do you have the name of any references or text books which incorporate the Souders-brown equation so I can have a read of the theory involved in the process?
Thank you in advance.
Rees
Thanks for the reply, I will make some enquiries.
Do you have the name of any references or text books which incorporate the Souders-brown equation so I can have a read of the theory involved in the process?
Thank you in advance.
Rees
#7
Posted 02 December 2005 - 12:44 PM
Rees:
The Souders-Brown equation has been in use for over 60 years. If you can find this in a good university library, read Souders, M., and G. G. Brown, Industrial Engineering Chemistry; #26; volume 98; (1934).
The Souders-Brown equation has been in use for over 60 years. If you can find this in a good university library, read Souders, M., and G. G. Brown, Industrial Engineering Chemistry; #26; volume 98; (1934).
#8
Guest_OMI_*
Posted 07 April 2006 - 01:13 PM
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#9
Guest_rad_*
Posted 30 April 2006 - 10:58 AM
it is most likely coming from some of the lubrication systems of the blower. personally, i would go for finding out the source of the oil more than trying to find a way to collect it again. the small oil leaks may be symptomatic of some developing mechanical problems in the blower wherein when failure occurs, the oil mist separators you install downstream will be useless to protect against it.
#10
Posted 01 May 2006 - 04:59 PM
Porous Media Corporation have very fine mesh filters that allow removal of hydrocarbon mist as fine as <1 micron (i.e. like tobacco smoke). This is something you can't achieve with a regular separator.
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