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Fabricating Conventional Jacket And Half-Pipe Coils

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#1 Robvdh

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 12:19 AM

Hello,

I am writing a paper about conventional jackets and half-pipe coils. A lot of general information about these topics is available on the internet, but I can't find how the conventional jacket is produced/manufactured and installed.

I found this video about the production of half-pipe coils: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Pswbsxvl0lA . Is this the regular production method or are there also other methods available.

And does someone know how much time is necessary to produce and install the conventional jacket and the half-pipe coil?

Regards, Rob

 



#2 Art Montemayor

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

Rob:

 

What you are describing is a half-pipe coil (or “limpet” coil) wrapped around a pressure vessel.  I have written and discussed this heating/cooling technique many times in our Forums, and these can be found in our SEARCH engine.  The youtube video you submit is not a true half-pipe.  What those guys are doing is taking a relatively think steel (stainless?) plate in a roll and forming it into a semi-half circle that looks more like a half-oval and bending this into a helical coil.  That’s fine, but the ultimate strength won’t be the same as that of a true half-pipe.  This is usually an important point involving reactors because the external coil is welded onto the external shell surface and, as such, forms part of the pressure vessel.  Since it forms part of the pressure vessel, it must conform to the pressure – and vacuum – needs of the vessel.  This means that the pressure in the external limpet coil represents “external pressure” to the main vessel walls and that must be designed and allowed for in resisting the internal pressure AS WELL AS the total external pressure.  By external pressure here, I mean the possibility of rating the vessel for full vacuum.  Vacuum is considered external pressure and must be designed for if it is to occur. 

 

What you see in the video is probably NOT what happens in the majority of fabricating these types of coils.  The reason being that the need for these type of coils is not that great and fabrication shops can’t justify the purchase, operation, training, and maintenance of a special fabrication machine to fabricate a coil “once in a blue moon”.  Consequently, fab shops take normal schedule 40 (sometimes schedule 30 pipe) and bend it into a coil while it is filled with a fluid – usually machine oil.  Then they cut the coil longitudinally and weld it to the shell of the pressure vessel.  I have never seen coil made like they show in the video.  Making a limpet coil as I’ve described is a very laborious and tedious task.  It involves a lot of manhours (in the USA manhours are very expensive) and takes a lot of welding.  The welding is tedious because it tends to locally heat up the vessel walls and must be controlled for quality.  The last coil I had fabricated for an existing vessel took about 2 months.

 

 

As I have often pointed out in many previous threads, after going to all the time, trouble, and expense described above, the amount of heat transfer obtained by use of a limpet coil is minimal when compared to other means and techniques.  This is due to the fact that the area covered by the coil is limited to the available vessel surface – and the vessel surface is hardly ever selected or sized for the sake of the coil.  The vessel (usually a reactor) is sized based on other important points and not on the optimum shell heating it can produce.  The limpet coil, then, is nothing more than token heat transfer and can’t be relied upon for such important process needs such as quick, rapid heat-up and cool-down as well as careful and accurate heat transfer.  At best, any jacket is meant for simply maintaining a certain vessel temperature while the contents are static – which is defined in reactor operations as dead time – i.e., non-profitable operation.  For accurate, rapid, and efficient heating and cooling of reactors, the usual methods relied upon are internal coils mated to agitators or external circulation pumps and heat exchangers.



#3 Robvdh

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:43 AM

Hi mr. Montemayor,

 

thank you for your reply. 

Indeed, the process for which I am doing this research is a static process. The temperature just needs to be maintained at a certain level, no quick heat-up is necessary. Which method of external vessel heating would you recommend, based on costs?

I also read about steam tracing tubes which are installed on the outside of the pressure vessel, but this doesn't look very efficient. What is your opinion about that? 

 

Kind regards,

 

Rob



#4 curious_cat

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:08 PM

 

 

External pumps I understand but are internal coils significantly better than an external coil or a jacket with a spiral baffle?

 

Are the overall heat transfer coefficients that much higher? 



#5 Art Montemayor

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 09:49 AM

Robvdh:

 

As I stated before, the external coil is ALWAYS less efficient in heat transfer on a vessel.  The basic fact that it stripped of any ability – other than its heating area – should alert you to the fact that you have very little left to improve its performance, except for an external pump using a heating liquid.  But if that’s your intent, than why not just build a cheaper internal coil, use the same pump and obtain much superior results because of the larger surface and the quicker internal convective currents created?

 

curious_cat:

The above points should address one of your doubts.  The other one, about external jackets has been discussed and responded before many times in our Forums.  If you haven’t done so already, I suggest you research the topic on our SEARCH engine.

 

Robvdh:

If you also have not used our SEARCH engine on the topic, I attached the following material as a possible cheap, quick solution to your application.

 

Additional comments:

I keep getting repetitive queries and doubts on this subject – most of which would like to “shoe horn” in a limpet or spiral coil into a reactor or holding tank application – and I keep responding with the same answer: stay away from such solutions.  It looks good (without the insulation) but it’s very costly, ineffective in heat transfer, and can’t compete in reducing startup time requirements.  I believe the reasons are pretty obvious and I don’t understand why some of our members cannot buy the reasons.  I like the limpet coil because of its plain, architectural physical beauty – but I detest its on stream performance.  This is the expected engineering "trade off".  We can't always have what we like.

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